All about Condensation... We've written another page to show you some of the things that are a result of condensation, and how to deal with it. The Rising Damp 'specialists' just treat it as rising damp!!! |
Managing Damp in old buildings
It's almost inevitable that you will find damp in an old house. Nothing lasts forever, but despite the English weather, our old buildings can, and will stand the test of time. The worst enemy of old houses is we humans - it's generally what we do to them, or fail to understand about them, that causes most of the problems and make you think you have to Damp Proof it. In recent years, so called 'Rising Damp specialists', and building surveyors recommending damp treatment have caused massive, and in many cases, irreparable damage to old buildings through their incompetence. Don't use them. Many of these idiot surveyors are churning out 'Homebuyer Survey' reports with a standard clause in them that recommends 'Specialist Timber and Damp Survey'. You just paid the surveyor for that - so dont pay the bill - he doesnt know what he is talking about. Did you know that in Holland, they don't even have damp courses? True... Even in new houses, damp proof courses are not required. They build their houses with their feet in the water, and they dont get wet walls. I teach Dutch architectural students at college, and they fall about laughing when we talk about what they call our 'Quaint English Custom' of damp courses and injection damp proofing. Sounds funny, but this is serious stuff - we are being defrauded to the tune of hundreds of millions a year, by chemical companies selling useless, fraudulent treatment. Don't stop walls breathing!When a wall warms up after a cool night, the air contained within its pores expands as it warms and a small proportion moves out of the wall via the connected pores. As the wall cools down again the air within contracts and air moves back into the wall from the atmosphere. And so masonry walls ‘breathe’ – out as they warm and in as they cool. Breathing occurs on a daily basis, or more frequently in periods of variable weather; breathing is shallow when there is little temperature variation and deepest when the daily range is greatest. Of course, walls don’t actually breathe in the human sense: they just sit there while changes in temperature (and air pressure) do the work, but the ‘breathing’ analogy is a convenient way of understanding frequent exchanges of air from masonry to atmosphere and back again. If the air drawn into a wall is humid and if the wall material cools below the dew point then some of the water vapour in the humid air will condense as water droplets within the pores of the masonry, though the wall will still be ‘dry’. During warmer and drier times some of this water will evaporate and leave the wall as it breathes out. Apparently dry walls commonly contain water, the amount varying with changes in the season and climate. If there are salts or other hygroscopic (moisture-attracting) materials in the masonry then the amount of water drawn into (and retained in) the wall can be sufficient to make the wall visibly damp, even in dry weather. This is just the same as what happens when you leave a pot of salt on the kitchen table - it gets wet.. Anything that prevents a masonry wall from breathing will reduce its life expectancy. Coatings that are designed to seal the surface of masonry walls (and so ‘protect’ them) will trap moisture behind the coating and cause a damp problem elsewhere, such as on the other side of the wall. If there are appreciable salts in the wall, the damage caused by the inappropriate use of coatings can be dramatic . The coatings themselves - cement renders, gypsum plasters, plastic emulsion paints - will eventually be forced off the wall. Most problems of damp in pre-1920's buildings have been caused since the war, when cement and gypsum plaster became widely available - these two materials are responsible for over 90% of the damage that we see. They are impervious, they trap moisture and cause rot - they are death to an old house. Add silicone sealants to a timber frame, and you have instant rot of oak which is probably 400 years old. I have seen new timber frames start to rot in 2 or 3 years when incompetent framers seal the panels using mastic instead of oakum, which can breathe. Homebuyer Surveys - the truth about them...I am constantly inundated by people who are getting Homebuyer surveys, and then when they get it, the 'Surveyor' recommends that you get a 'specialist timber and damp survey'. Um..... WHAT THE HELL AM I PAYING YOU FOR??? If a so called qualified surveyor - and many of them are members of RICS, some of them are Fellows of RICS - tells you that an independent survey is required - I suggest you tell them you are not paying the bill. DO NOT PAY THEM!!!! These people are incompetent. If they cannot diagnose the REAL reasons for damp in an old house, they shouldnt be there in the first place - tell them to go and survey a dolls house - its about all they are capable of doing. If they even MENTION Rising Damp - they are totally, utterly incompetent - I repeat that - they are totally utterly incompetent. Do NOT pay them.. Walk away from the survey, and get someone who knows about old buildings. RICS teaches them all they need to know - Stephen Boniface, former chairman of the construction arm of the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS ), has told the institute’s 40,000 members that ‘true rising damp’ is a myth and chemically injected damp-proof courses (DPC) are ‘a complete waste of money’. Quite a number of my clients have sued surveyors - one just emailed me to say the surveyor that told him he had rising damp has just settled out of court for £5000 in compensation. Another client in Wales told the very highly qualified surveyor just where to shove his bill - the surveyor wrote a lengthy reply in which he explained that he has a lifetime of experience in diagnosing rising damp in houses all over the area - unfortunately we found out he'd previously surveyed this particular house, and was recommending the same treatment the second time around in as many years. You can imagine the response to his request for payment! Do NOT let any building society, or bank make you have any form of damp treatment before they will approve a loan. If they do, contact us and we will stop this rubbish. Be aware that times are changing, and more and more people are questioning this ridiculous practise - it is only a matter of time before banks drop this expensive and unneccesary habit - but we all need to put pressure on them to stop it. There are GOOD surveyors out there - RICS does train people - but there is such an entrenched belief in rising damp that entire industries are fed by it. A surveyor is required to state clearly whether they consider themselves capable of surveying an old house. You must ensure that if your house was built before around 1930, you ask that they clearly state this, and sign in their survey that they consider themselves capable of surveying your type of house. RICS actually run a conservation course which helps equip their surveyors for the job - it is a great pity more people don't do the course! There is a MASSIVE problem of fraud, and incompetence in the Building Survey industry. If in doubt, do your research - you probably are... its why you are here... This is the English Heritage Guidance document that covers almost all the points discussed here - hopefully, when you see the importance that EH gives the subject, you'll realise I am not just ranting on..! Guidance concerning Energy Efficiency in Historic Buildings Rising Damp is almost non-existent - it rarely occurs naturally , and it CERTAINLY doesnt move a metre up the walls as 'damp proofing' so called specialists would have you believe. We have built experimental walls with old, porous bricks, jointed with lime mortar. When the base of the wall is placed in water, the bottom row will get wet, and water which is wicked up the brick reaches the first mortar joint and evaporates. It NEVER goes beyond the first joint unless it is bridged - for example, by removing the lime mortar and replacing it with cement. It certainly doesnt go the magical metre high that every rising damp salesman will claim. Do you know that it has NEVER been reproduced in a laboratory, despite many attempts to do so - even by the industry itself.
Building conservation and restoration is all about understanding the built environment, and how it affects the materials which make up your home. By understanding this, it becomes a relatively simple task to sort out problems causing damp, and manage them for the long term. We can ALWAYS find the cause of damp, whatever form it may take, and I have to say that in our collective experience, we have NEVER had to drill hundreds of holes into the lower courses of brickwork, thereby destroying them. We NEVER inject chemicals which are supposed to stop water from 'rising' up the walls, which never did anyway.(and they are going to magically 'soak' into brick, stone, mortar and fill all the gaps... dream on!) Rising damp is a wonderful marketing tool used to sell millions of pounds worth of worthless chemicals and labour to an unsuspecting public, irreparably damaging structural brickwork in the process, and don't forget that they always want to re-plaster the walls with impermeable plaster - this just makes the problem come back in ten years or so..! Great for business if you're flogging rising damp treatments.... We have often surveyed damp houses which have had more than one set of holes drilled - some - the worst we've seen, have had three or four sets of injection damp proofing holes and chemicals injected, and they are still sopping wet. When will people, surveyors, and the mortgage companies, wake up? Please.... DON'T be fooled into using injection damp proofing - it's a waste of money. Take note that they nearly always make you hack off the plaster to the obligatory metre high - as in the photos below, and give it a 15 year guarantee - then in 16 years, when all the plaster falls off again, its magically out of guarantee, or the company vanished into thin air.. in the 'Guarantee' conditions, there is ALWAYS a clause - the 'getout clause', that says damage from condensation isnt covered. So.. they do your 'Rising Damp' treatment, and tell you they have cured it... then when you go back to them with the same problem a year or two later ..... 'Oh No... our rising damp treatment worked well - what you NOW have is caused by a different problem - this is condensation... we dont cover this you know - sorry' The rising damp fraudsters are not stupid. They know exactly what they are doing, why they are doing it, and how to wriggle out of ever backing up a guarantee. Get a solicitor to check the guarantee - it isnt worth the paper it is written on - it doesnt even guarantee the work.. Every damp problem has a specific cause, and it is usually easy to fix that cause - for example, faulty guttering, external ground levels too high, concrete / cement render trapping moisture on outside walls, and so on. Our survey will outline any problems, and suggest solutions, which never include injection damp proofing! |
The Fraud of Rising DampDo some research on the huge array of services offered by damp proofing companies to stop 'rising damp'. Investigate their claims, and decide for yourself whether it makes sense! They'll probably recommend a water based chemical be injected - um... aren't we supposed to be getting rid of water? Research all the 'Timber and Damp' companies - look them up, read the wording of their guarantees - ask them whether they cover you for condensation damage in their guarantees - That'll send them screaming for the door... You are going to take a supposedly wet wall, inject a water based chemical, and its going to dry out as a result.... Do you believe in Father Christmas ?? Remember - when you get a survey from a 'Specialist timber and damp surveyor (who doesnt charge for the survey!!) ' the so called surveyor is a commission salesman. Remember the old saying - you dont get owt for nowt. His sole purpose in life is to sell you timber treatment, for which he gets about 25% commission for a load of useless chemicals, and replastering, for which he gets about 20%, and injecting, for which he gets about 15%. Because so many people are brainwashed into believing this rubbish, he gets a steady income from his fraudulent sales, and the chemical companies make millions in proifits every year..
Don't forget to consider the hundreds of holes they are going to drill into your wall - using a hammer drill which will smash the brickwork to pieces, fracturing both brick and stone irreparably, and weakening the base of the wall. Note how they never mention condensation, and often talk about tanking - why are they sealing more water into the structure? Did they talk about 'bridging' the damp course? You Bet! The Dutch, who build their houses with their feet in the water DO NOT HAVE DAMP COURSES!! The Dutch say rising damp does not exist.!!! Did they talk about damp Rising? You Bet! Did they talk about sorting out the reason the water is there in the first place? OF COURSE NOT!!! - If they did that, they'd never work again....!!!
This is an interesting one - an old farm building with gypsum plasterboard 'dabbed' onto bare brick with gypsum cement. The dab cement has soaked up moisture in the air and is holding it - hence the lovely dabs all over the wall which are sopping wet. Reminder - never put anything impervious like gypsum plaster against a solid old brick wall!!! Spalling (breaking up and splitting) of masonry and Efflorescence (those white fluffy bits you see on the wall)... These are caused by soluble salts - which can either be from the mortar, brick or stonework, or from outside sources, such as groundwater penetration or pollution (soot in chimneys is a great example). When temperature and humidity in the environment around the wall change, salts will either be drawn out of the wall, or when they are present in concentration, they can attract water (this is called deliquescence - like when the salt in your salt shaker gets wet). Once this starts, you don't even need any more water - the salts attack the brick or stone and start to break it up - especially if the humidity is in the 75% range. A dry house is usually around 45 to 55% range. You often see spalling on outside walls near streets, where acid fumes from cars attack the masonry around the height of the exhaust - this is the sulphur dioxide in the exhaust hitting a wet wall, and forming sulphuric acid, which reacts with the material of the wall and forms salts...Once spalling starts, it is often made worse by the action of rain and frost. Drying out wet or damp walls in an old houseOnce a wall is wet, it can take a long time to dry out. There is plenty of research out there which tells us how long it will take - the process depends on how warm the air around the wall is, how dry that air is and so on - but as a rule, if your wall is a metre thick (common in old stone built houses) it can take a year for each inch to dry out properly - so working from both sides - you'll dry two inches of wall a year. This all assumes you have taken EVERYTHING off the wall - like plaster, cement render, wallpaper, paint and so on. The wall will not dry out if these things are present. Of course, the first year you'll dry more of the wall than the second year, and so on - the rate of loss of water reduces with time. If you buy an old house with a damaged roof for example and want to restore it, remember that any walls that have had water running down them from roof leaks may take over a year or more to start to dry - so you can't plaster them for a long time. If you try to plaster a damp wall, the plaster will soon fail and flake off.
Great one this... Look at the TWO sets of holes drilled above each other and shattering the brickwork. This house was sopping wet inside, all caused by condensation. I've chopped the cement render off to expose the bricks underneath. The mortar was like gooey clay, but hardened up when able to dry. The injection damp course was about as useless as a square wheel.
You can probably see that the bricks below the course are quite dry - and the wall gets wetter between the holes and above them. All that was needed here, was to take the render off! The wall is lovely and dry now we've removed all the cement render that was trapping condensation into the wall. |
| Yet another classic - the surveyor recommended these people have an injection damp proof course installed. Idiot! Can you spot the existing one - rows of holes drilled into the bricks just above the tiles, plugged with cement - and the wall repointed with cement which is trapping moisture into the wall. This needs to be raked out and pointed in lime which will let the wall breathe. | This is the same wall on the inside - the wallpaper is painted with a thick layer of impervious paint, and the timber skirting similarly, so nothing can release moisture. When the paper was peeled back, the wall behind was bone dry - all this is surface damage caused by condensation at the base of the wall - it does NOT need useless injection damp proof courses that dont work. |
Common examples of 'damp' and solutions...
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This wall had been replastered using a plaster finish, which has cement in it - moisture was trapped, and the paint was blowing off. |
Same wall - paint blowing off and bubbling, electrics corroded, and plumbing corroded badly . |
View of the wall, showing the 'tide mark' where the plaster was hacked off to a metre, and replaced with impervious plaster. |
The same wall after the base coats of lime plaster, showing how wet the wall was - this was left for 3 months to dry out. |
The same wall, with the lime topcoat - very little damp now showing as the wall has dried out beautifully |
This is an extreme example of damp damage - in this case, the stonework of the building has been covered with cement render. This has sealed water into the structure - it has run down the face of the stone, and gone behind the render where it has built up to ridiculously high moisture levels. The only way it can escape is to evaporate out of the stone just above the render, and in so doing, it has destroyed the stone. Note that much of the stone is pointed with cement, which has exacerbated the problem.In the room inside, the walls are damp as well - moisture has penetrated through the wall and blown the plaster on the inside. All of this render needs to be removed and the stonework requires extensive repair as a result. |
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This is one of the worst cases of damage from the use of cement render that I've ever seen. The entire building was covered in thick layers of cement render which has held moisture into the structure. This has frozen, and shattered the stone blocks beneath the render, resulting in almost total collapse of the building. Stone pillars had shattered, lintels were destroyed, carved stone corbels had disintegrated - there was literally nothing left of the fabric of the building. All this - because of someone using cement render instead of lime.... You should NEVER use cement on an old building... |
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The same building, looking up at the corbelling - showing how the render has trapped water, and caused disintegration of stone and brick - all the render is now dropping off - the fabric of the building underneath the render is sopping wet and will take months to dry out. |
These two photos make me laugh so much - yet another example of an injection damp proof course drilled into a lovely old Geogian house, which has managed to allow water to get into the holes, and resulted in the wall being wetter above the course, than below it. Note the dark bricks beneath - these are early engineering bricks - totally impervious to water - and put there to stop any damp rising. They do their job beautifully. And will continue to do so despite the useless injected rubbish above them that is creating more problems than it is supposed to stop. This injection damp course, like all others, doesnt work. It's attacking the symptoms, not the cause.
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