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You will find ads all over these pages - we dont choose them, they appear. They happen to be VERY useful - research the companies that appear in them - research their claims, and then come back to this site and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Put the postcode into google earth and have a look at some of the shambolic places they are registered to - would YOU use anyone who lived there?

Do they offer a Free Survey?  Would you offer your professional services for free? Of course not. But these people aren't professionals - they are gormless con artists following a set routine to flog you 'treatments' that are not needed - it is fraud. 

Be careful - most damp companies are now charging £75 for a survey - that's right - you PAY THEM to come and try to sell you damp proofing.  Remember - if they charge you, you can sue them for fraudulent misrepresentation as soon as they produce a report that tries to sell you chemicals.  Rest assured that you will never need any chemicals, injected or smeared on the wall.  

All their adverts talk about "Eradicating rising damp"  we are a "Family Run Business", "Established for over 30 years", and every one has a statement that "rising damp is due to a lack of an effective damp proof course" - which is complete garbage.  Peter Cox will give you a 'report' that's got about 30 pages of rubbish and a 1 page 'report' which is a sales pitch.  Nothing technical and no diagnosis.

And to measure the humidity in your home....

... You need one of these magic gadgets.  Keep it handy, move from room to room.  If you see humidity over 55%, you know you have a possible problem - not Rising Damp as the damp industry or your local PCA 'surveyor' will tell you - but condensation.  Press the button, and it displays Dew Point - the temperature that building fabric needs to be for condensation to start.  Armed with this, you will start to inform yourself about where and why damp may be occurring.  If you have questions for us about damp problems, we need to know what levels of moisture are in the house - this is what you need.

What is Rising Damp?

Rising Damp is a term coined by the 'damp' industry to help them sell chemicals.  These people are members of a chemical industry association called the Property Care Association, or PCA for short.  Their new website is increasingly flashy, and deliberately, desperately tries to make them look professional. They are even helping their fraudulent little con artist members to write blogs and websites, specifically targetting this site, trying to make themselves look like educated professionals, which none of them are.  Desperately, because year on year, their income is falling as people realise what a bunch of con artists they all are. The fact is that these people are out to con you out of as much money as they can for selling you useless chemical treatments for something that doesn't happen. Look at the map of the world where the rising damp search term appears.. Google proves that Rising Damp is a peculiarly English term - how come there is no rising damp in America, or France, or Germany, or Holland... erm... Con Job comes to mind..

Now then.  What is it?  OK - it's not a TV series starring Leonard Rossiter either...

The entire industry, and the con, rely on the fact that condensation is constantly occurring in building materials.  When it does, water starts to form within the pore spaces of the materials.  Being water, it dissolves any salts in those materials, and as it evaporates when conditions change, the salts are left at the surface.  The con men of the PCA love this, because they use a pin meter - a conductivity meter, or what they lovingly call a 'Damp Meter' - which measures conductivity and bleeps to say the wall is damp. It isnt - it's just conducting because the pins are sitting in slightly salty, therefore conductive wall.  There might at some time have been a bit of condensation there, but it's long gone now, and the wall is dry - but salty.  So then they flog you 'rising damp treatment' for something that was never rising - it was just a bit of condensation in the wall that evaporated when conditions changed and the wall warmed up a tad.

Now - let's look at the physics of this a bit more:

The air around us contains three main gases - oxygen, nitrogen, and water - with a bit of carbon dioxide.  All of these are quite happily swirling around us all the time.  They also diffuse very happily through the building materials of your home - passing through brick and stone constantly.  Everything contains a bit of water vapour - your furniture, books, the walls, carpets, floors - but nothing suffers from damp.  That's because the water is present as a gas - you can't see it, it's not doing any damage.  It just so happens that water is the lighter of all of these gases - so it does actually rise - I guess you could say 'rising damp' or 'rising water molecules' - it's why the clouds are up in the sky - water rises as a gas, and then meets very cold air at the limits of the atmosphere, cools down and condenses, and appears as water - clouds.  

A diversion - just to explain just how small some of these molecules are - and how easy it is for oxygen, nitrogen and water to get through your walls.

I make cider.  Usually about 500 litres a year. One year, I decided that rather than spending lots of dosh on buying glass bottles, I'd cheat and collect old plastic coke bottles.  All the cider was lovingly filtered into the bottles and screwed tight.  Everything went into the cellars and I left it to mature.  Come the first Barbeque of the summer, out came last year's cider, and everyone took a gulp of my best.... disgusting, oxidised vinegar.  I rang a cider making mate who works for one of the big cider companies.  He cracked up laughing:  "Pete - you fell for the oldest trick in the book - why is coke so chockers with preservatives?  All your cider oxidised within a week or two - oxygen diffused through the walls of the plastic bottles and killed the cider - it's why we sell in glass bottles, and the cheap stuff in plastic is absolutely loaded with preservatives!"

So - air can get through your Dulux emulsion paints, the gypsum plaster, and cement - and through the brick walls and stone - everything in its path has tiny holes and allow it to flow through quite happily. Cider is a liquid, bigger molecules, and can't get out of the bottles.

As with the cider - there's a catch.

We measure moisture levels in the air as Relative Humidity (RH).  Basically, the colder the air, the less water it can hold.  So air at 10 degrees can hold about half the amount of water than it can at 20 degrees.  Relative humidity is the measure of how much of the total water potential is present at a given temperature.  If the RH at 10 degrees is 100% - the air is 'saturated'.  It follows that if you warm this air up to 20 degrees, it will only be about 50% saturated, or the RH will be 50%.  Remember the clouds? Water gas cools down, and when it gets cold enough, it turns into liquid water.  So if you take our 100% saturated water at 10 degrees and cool it to 9 degrees, it's going to turn into water.  If it just happens to be inside your brick walls at the time, they are going to get wet.  A bit like fog forming in the wall.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what this massive con industry, the damp industry, is all about. Moisture, within walls, condensing as the walls get a bit cooler.  Warm them up, and the water goes away again.  Or does it?

Mr Damp Wally has for years been "remove the plaster to a metre high and replace with tanking slurry and damp proofing and salt inhibiting toxic chemical soup with some gypsum plaster over the top to make your toxic room nice again"

And Wally Builder for years has been "we'll rake out those walls of yours and re-point them in nice cement Mrs Jones - it'll waterproof those walls and make them look really nice - even if we do destroy the bricks with angle grinders into the bargain"

So - the walls are now wet because they are cold at the bottom - near the ground, where it's normally colder - but there's Wally Slurry all over the walls turning them into a swimming pool, and Wally pointing on the walls, with or without Wally cement render. So your wall is now a swimming pool, plus or minus toxic chemical injection holes.

The problem is - your nice wet wall can't dry out, because the water liquid molecules are much bigger than the gas, and they are sitting in Wally Damp Man's swimming pool.  Your Wall.

How do we get them out?

Strip Wally's cement from the walls, inside and out, and sit back and watch a miracle - dry walls.

I love that advert with Alexandr Meerkat - SIMPLES !

Why do you see 'damp' problems on internal walls?

Good question!  It's all to do with temperature.  

It stands to reason that internal walls will be a bit warmer than those on the outside.  The one constant is that the BASE of internal walls, and the BASE of external walls, where they are in contact with the ground, will be roughly the same.  Ground temperatures don't vary much, a little cooler in winter, but pretty constant.  Now then:

Remember the lesson from above - the warmer air is, the more moisture it can contain.  If internal walls are warmer, the pore spaces within that wall can contain more moisture, as a gas.  So they do - it's a given.  The problem arises when the base of the wall is cooler than the Calculated Dew point - that warm, moist air travels around in the internal wall, and finds a cooler zone - often under the stairs, in a cupboard, or just the party wall in the middle of the house, and simply condenses near the floor.  It can evaporate when conditions change, and as it does so, brings salts from within the wall to the surface.  That's why you often see salty, fluffy deposits on walls in sheltered spaces, nearly always at low level - where that condensation has slowly evaporated and left the salts behind.  More often than not, when we test these areas for total moisture content, they are bone dry - condensation rarely sticks around if it can get out - it will only build up and make the wall damp if it is trapped by modern plasters like gypsum.  If the wall is lime plastered, nothing happens - it'll be dry.

The same thing applies to exposed areas like bay windows.  That bit of wall underneath a bay window is always exposed to wind and cold.  It's near the ground.  It's a magnet for condensation.  Nothing to do with the Property Care Associations favourite term - rising damp.  The same thing happens - moisture as a gas in the wall, condenses, and then tries to evaporate.  If the wall is nicely pointed in lime, not cement rendered, and lime plastered, it won't get wet.  If everything is cement, moisture builds up and plaster, and even brickwork, will blow and spall.  Result - a wet wall, a cold area, rotting timber, everythng you don't want in your home.  And all because of gypsum and cement.  And nothing to do with a mythical lake of water just itching to bubble up into your walls.